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August 16, 2012
Jackie

Check-Ins:
Jo – Occupy Kansas City -not a viable occupy anymore – got to the NatGat for a short time and enjoyed immensely; here to provide input for the vision
Jackie – Occupy Buffalo- here to take notes and support the work you are all doing
Occupy Sanata Rosa – recently Occupy free school, try to educate about what occupy is and what we hoped to see accomplished; met once a week for six weeks; so that’s good
Dale – Occupy Petaluma -went to NatGat – went and participated in the Visioning process – persue and develop it
Fred – DC area – was active with OccupyDC; Arlington, home; was in Philly at Natgat and interested in moving this visioning process forward
Rick – Vancouver – happy to be part of the visioning processs with Occupy; let’s keep it going, let’s do something here
Alissa – Key West; was with Occupy Key West – inactive right now, numbers dwindled; right from the beginning interest in the visioning arena and in the process; would like to help us move forward with that; systemic change and a better world
Randy -Key west, concreet public also – right from the start was about what the new world would be, not fixing old – active in local occupy
Sally – Occupy Bergen City NJ – in Philly for NatGat – awesome; on e-mail list; tendancy to blurt out things take with grain of salt; in awe of movement, want to help with visioning
Tracy – busy with Occupy Indiana and IO; pleasure of being at NatGat; not part of the visioning process, also working with s17
Brandi – Occupy Ft. Collins – hand in many other projects – be in the background helping with the TA of the board
Cal – Occupy Oakland, probably go through divorce pretty soon; heavily involved with Interoccupy and the Nat Gat WG and the Visioning process; happy to support this process moving forward.

Cal: studying the e-mails; Brandi was so generous to put together an agenda for us – we can go in a few directions
1. see what direction we shold go on in this call
2. what direction for the group

whether you are here to continue to work on the existing visioning – shifting, sorting, cataloging
or how to move forward beyond what we did in July to a larger vision

1 for interest in conversation about taking exisitng stuff and continuing to move it forward
2 – what comes beyond that for a larger vision

1 – 4 people
2 – 6 people

split us up and talk about those conversations in a breakout room for 30 mintues
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Cal, Jackie – I will take notes in the breakout 2

Sally, Fred, Dale, who who – breakout group 1 – pick a notetaker, get tog with Jackie on the notes

Breakout One:
continuing to move forward on the categorization work from Philly
(insert notes here)

Breakout Two:
beyond philadelphia stuff
Cal is in this group and can facilitate – also Alissa, Jo, Tracy, Rick, Jackie

Cal – many places this conversation can go – what do we want to talk about on a call like this
Jackie notes, keep running list of ideas
Cal – reads the agenda items that Brandi culled out of the e-mail discussion
purpose of the visioning working group – internal, external
what is visioning mision goals, strategy, actions etc
scope of work – short term until some point or long term effort done movement wide
what work products might we have? writings, soc med livestraming etc
interim work products – the tech, wki list, etc. get from agenda above – an organzizing conversation

Alissa – how is what we’re discussing different than what the other group is discussing

Cal – waht happened in Philly people are talking about the categorizing the sorting etc.
Cal – Occupy Cafe, Texas, etc.lists got combined in – the people in the other group want to continue on a broader scope; some of us feel there has been….
what a vision is
primary – we are all working on visioning; if we are a visioning group, we need an understanding if not consensus on what visioning is

Cal – what’s the best way to frame that question
Jo – what elements in other visions that grab us and make the story compelling
tend to agree with (Jo) agreement albout the elements we want to see within a vision
Cal – should have a convo about what is a vision – major confusion about what is a vision — that was missing in Philly
for me, all the visioning work i’ve done in organizational world the one a vision is a clear image of a future state in time that is sufficiently clear and compellling to inspire peopole to action
what a vision is not are the means to get there; also not where we are now
was supposed to be read at philly, got inadvertantly crossed out
if you like that definition and want to work with that press one, if not press 3
asked to read again
makes wonderful sense
Sarah – welcome – Occupy where? part of the e-mail list
Cal – looks like we’ve aligned around a definition; what’s next conversation to have?
what elements of the vision that you found compelling or inspiring
Alissa – back up one step
Cal – sure
A important part of defining the vision or getting a clearer picture for ourselves are talking about the values that inform it – likely that any vision we talk about that we find inspiring was inspiring because of the values that inform it and because we resonate with those values – a good place to start would be core values
Cal – my feeling is that values, principles and those sorts of things fit inside the vision; but if you want to include values, we can; my ideas are not the only ones
vision compelling, values first
Sarah – the values are inherent in the vision; if not in the vision they are inherent in the steps we are going to take
Jo – not an either/or process when working with a vision, values
Joe joins – St Ann Gloucester MA – attended natgat; Salem hospital as a central sercice tech and would like to plug into the call – is this the beyond philly group

Cal – talking about first convo – talk about which visions we have found inspiring
values
Jo was in middle of talking about not have to be either or – the values will inform what we individually put into this vision; can’t really start with the values; we don’t have values yet – it will (fill) us in if we are sitting here trying to make this, think a—value proof type of thing; next steps
Alissa – fine no problem with starting with an inspiring vision; thought it would be helpful to hear what values inform us; certainly can do
Jo – when we fill out some of the vision about what we want tfor the future when we actually form it into something that has a little more life and texture in it, then the values will become really improtant; we envision a future that people are not going hungry, have a healthy life, we look after each other — inform the structure underneath it
think if we are going to talk about vision that it’s X and please agree or disagree – my view that if we are talking about visioning we have to be really careful to frame in a positive way and not neg way; create an image to lead us and inspire others in that direction; framed in a positive way, not what we don’t want

? purpose of this call is not to imagine that vision, but to decide how we go forward

? let’s take the first statement on the list – the Philly list, the ranked list
Cal – how we move an effort to have a vision for the movement forward; we did exercise in Philly, now what – what do we do to move forward
Alissa – not sure how we answer now what unless we know to what end; confused what does that mean now what

Cal – the difference between what we do with that list rather than – the vision work was a nice start, but there is a broader envisoning – do we try to create unifed convergence on the vision or leave those as utterances?
Jo – I think that some difficulty in having a totally coherent convergence unless we create a story that encompasses these parts and where it is in a coherent story in that these elements coalesce in the story

? – we have to be, can’t just check what has been done – we don’t want to be limited to the list, but we do want to include it; like Jo said get down to essence of what people were saying in the process of creating or adding the items to that list that they were – a lot of it as i did my categorization of it is that……
possiblitiy of making a coherent story of what was done there before we expand it. make sense?
Jo – agree – the question I have for you is that I have a sense that you have a different thought about what the process should look like
Cal – which in Philly, now?
Jo – both , you said we should look at the future we want, my question to you is should we not have … honor the work people did in Philly.. toward using the work in Philly
inclusive of the work other people have done
Cal – job to bring out the collective wisdom of you all – we don’t have leaders in this movement – also would overstep my bounds as a fac.ilitator; am a participant in this group to
Sally – in truth I also think that you have some expertise and we are asking at the moment for some expertise
Cal – Philly…well, this is not the group to do that in
? – not about that, but you could tell us what you want to do
Cal – brainstorming actions and goals, we are brainstorming a future
inability to converge – a lot of resistance from some people to converge – a compelling vision is one that makes people say yeah, I want that vision; bits and pieces came out of the Philly thing; it was hard because they wanted to include everything everyone said; I would probably look more for convergence the second time around
Jo – as a compelling vision, if we look at what we want to say as a livable sustainble world in 20 years, and we say for that world in 20 years we want a world in which we had problem solving for the sustainable world and not for porfit;
education for the enrichment of each indivual; not a cookie cutter thing, an expanding of the mind
actual sounds
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Brandi -back to the main room
Cal – come back to discuss

Report Back Breakout 1
Randy from Philly group – after our discussion about what models were put forward
4 authors of those 4 plus a couple of others to participate in a relatively short time frame to develop a consensus model to come back to this group and to occupations and then a narrative to …….
Fred – elaboration might be that in addition to the 4 authors of the model plus others who are willing to do their own integration, invite into the model
Brandi – anyone else from group 1 to add to that

Report Back Breakout 2
Jackie – read bolded notes above
Alissa – mention that toward the tail end of our convo we got to similar place as the other group – being inclusive of the list from Philly and possibly creating a story from that
Cal – the clear and compelling vision is not the goals, actions; values differing opinions; at end talking about a convergent vision; idea in Philly was to create a divergent vision, to include everything, different than a convergence process
if you would like to find out about the converstaion in the other group and stay in one room, press one, if continue with other group press

Brandi – our next spot in the conversation was how to we move forward – what software, what process can we use to hvae specific convos about these topic

Brandi – if we only had one coversation going on
? 2.0 or another process or what do we want to do
Brandi – i think if there’s no objection for group no 1, we could come back together ; think we’ve taken care of that business already
? clarify
Cal – next out of Philly, or discuss the whole new effort
Jackie – will take notes in breakout 2 again, but pressed one now because I think we needed more time as one group, maybe should have spent first 20 minutes getting to break outs
Sally – curious about what you are talking about when you speak about a whole other visioning process than what was in Philly – missing something
Alissa – we’re talking about going beyond; to me doesn’t mean excluding the work in Philly; not sure if there’s disagreement
Dale – summarizied the points that room number two discussed; broader conversation discussed in room kind of depends on the work of room one in ta we are trying to organize this points instead of a random list that ranked came out a of a brainstorming session – we need food air water – every one resonated – I think the issues both room talked about can only happen…..
Jo – agree with Dale wholeheartedly – I think what most thought we were trying to do is create a more coherent… as a vision we want to put out as a product; the group in 1 will be a major part of that – I don’t see us discarding anyone’s
what we put…. compelling, narrative a lot of elements and yet feel like a whole

Brandi – perhaps as this convo develops we may consider staying in one group or create two or three new groups, categories, consensus, software
Randy – coming ot of group 1 we didn’t mention once you have the narravtive, sooner than later, maybe even by election day – some way to have people, inviting the entirety of America as a reaction to the narrative rather than publishing as a finished thing
Fred – revolutionary thing 1. take the Philly stuff in it’s… agree with narrative and some of the other points of the other group; do we need to take the Philly work as far as it can and then start to work on the larger vision or ….processing that vision

Cal – general trend towrads trying to move back to one group – there were four of us who wanted to stay in the conversation about a new thing; suggest the 4 of us do e-mail and perhaps another call about developing another visioning process
need to have this process complete and end up with a terminal product – check with the folks in that group – email and another phone call. can you press 2 if you like that idea. and merge with the number one group for this call

Alissa – clarification – are you talking about not taking into consideration what the Philly gorup did
Cal – no, using; fundamentally coming up with a new visioning process; perhaps for next year or after this visoning plays out; I am talking about a new process
Cal – Alissa are you objecting to moving the groups back together
Alissa – no objection; just wanted to be sure we weren’t discarding work from Philly

Cal – one group; talk for about 20 minutes and then wind down; we are forming one group again – Brandi can you pick it up from here
Tracy -got kicked off the board is back

Fred – suggests one way, the authors of the four to consider the others and see if they have suggestions, revisions, etc. 2. other who weren’t authors who would come up with integration; shared in some means and get us closer to the next step. twinkles
Brandi – specific categorizations – has there been a discussion or has there been a discussion about what software to continue these conversations
Sally – these are on the wiki, they have discussion areas, let’s go ahead and use it
Cal – I haven’t been participating in what’s been going on with massaging the Philly material; do have a suggestion about categorization – would love to see – this is a piece of a mission, this is a value, this is a principle, this is an action – the different aspects and elements of the vision.
twinkles
Brandi – what I hear is perhaps taking these categories of main topics, making subcategories of each of these that are broken into some categories, columns and rows
Cal – yes, about 6 buckets
Brandi – Sally sent out an email to the wiki – the categories
Sally – each of those 3 categories were broken down separately; think you’re suggesting a fourth one – I have so much to do – can anyone do that
Brandi – had it visioned a different way – picture the table, you have the categories in rows and then in columns you have the subcategories
Dale – respond – actually a list suggestion I have – I submitted just as one column based on the metta center roadmap for what categories are, so with Cal’s we would have 5 category lists, not 4
Cal – these diff cat lists are the same items categorized diff ways
Sally – yes that is correct
briefly one of the categories is ——-, —–, clean air
Cal – anything that is different?
Sally –
Cal – 1 and 3 appears to be the full list and cat 2 appears to be subtitles
suggesting we take the whole list and put into another list of subcategies of values, etc.
Randy – seems we are beginning to get into the technical breakdowns
assign to a smaller group the job of putting all the lists into one coherent form that we can work from rather than talking about how we are going to do it
d.r. Fred -there was a small work group on the original call, categorized by vision, categories, values, principles – reaaffirm the thought that that would be a useful way to go
Cal – clarifying questions
Brandi – the 4th would be the one you suggest
Dale – apologize for not having the list from the metta center – it’s a pdf – that was an option for list number 4
Sally – echoing dale’s repsonse
Fred – agree – the 5th isn’t the same as the other 4 – would be used as criteria to be used for whatever clusters we agree upon
Sally -Brandi
Cal – almost a proposal on the table – could be temp checked or something
Brandi – temp check if we want to consider as our next step breaking our conversation into category specific to create a narrative -

2 reframing 3 likes and 6 reframing
not sure if this is reframing, but not sure we have the categoreis
Randy – confused to about break groups, thought proposal out of group one was to create a smaller group to work on
Cal – have Randy reframe
Randy – authors of various categorizations and such other people that want to would gather in ways they chose, to come back to this whole visioning group
press 2 for proposal approval – passed
Brandi – next question for this call through the e-mail for where we announce that there is going to be this conversation
Cal – take this back to the list and then invite people there; when done I have another temp check
to the list would be the proposal about Cal – have everybody decide how to…

Cal -tempcheck has to do with the idea of coming up with a larger visioning process, so if there’s anybody from group 1 that wants to be a part of the larger visioning process, press 2

it looks like we are at the end of this conversation and near the end of the time
12 minutes left we have several things we need to do
1. any other comments; burning desire to…
2. other thing is to move into a public service announcement for InterOccupy – we put on the calls, provided faciltator for this call; one more call IO will provide; by third call, we will need to have our own.
are you interested in learning to help facilitate these calls – Sally, Brandi and Joe – to help facilitate and assist tech with this call
if you would like to join the IO staff – it’s lovely to have other people come in to faciliate; if you are interested; press 3 if you are interested in being part of the IO team and doing for other people’s calls – Randy
Cal – thanking team

Check outs –
Joseph – been a great call been listening, trying to get a feel how this is developing – getting a feel for number 3 category – great call thank you
Sarah –
Jo – gald we had this call – interesting things going on with it, evolution in progress
Jackie – thanks for having me on the call, and do we need another call
Dale – resources at the end of the agenda, nat gat agenda – that’s where my vision categorization is – mettacenter.org – that’s where the pedi… is and where my suggested categories are
too bad Larry Swetrman was not on the call – he has a larger vision about the visioning being a living document; hope he can get on in the future
Cal – query that in the list, he’s on the list
Fred – thanks everybody for staying with the process – good thoughtful movement in this call
Rick – enjoyed the call – concerned about links to things getting a consolidated list to work from – we shouldn’t be afraid to use other software for our goals as long as we can pull it together and copy to the wiki
Alissa – very good – a little sceptical at first because it looked like we were really way, well organized, thank you facilitators, cal brandi, and everyone else – good constructive ideas that came out of both groups – was helpful to move the visioning forward – looking forward as someone who did a list, the first one, looking forward to what comes next
Randy – energized, glad to put human voices to the names on the list
Sally -awesome phone call as always; productive call, I thank you
Brandi – I hear and agree it’s important to again schedule another call whether it’s specifically for categories or for moving foreward; would enocurage everyone to find another time to have another call
Cal – we wound up doing somthing unexpected – should we schedule another call – press 2, no press 3
sally, two people voted 3 Sally or Dale do you want to state objection
7 people wanted to do, 2 didn’t so will sort out

Open mics to say Goodbye

Notes with main points Bolded:

http://notes.occupy.net/p/VisionCall_082012

Notes!

1. Natgat Debrief (25 min)
(60 second max. Please introduce yourself and location before speaking)

- What went well?
nate – just left the occ philly debrief – nice to have that impt conversation
best thing to come out of it was an opportunity to get to know people face to face – some worked with, some new, and to share and begin proces of moving for together.
kasha/james – ashville – partic in online discussions, occupy cafe, non-violent communications and was struck by the revolutionary potential of this discussion and work
4fred – dc/arlington – there was a big plus to be able to mount such a wide range of discussions, the meet-ups, regional – that aspect was powerful – first time done on that scale – congrats
misty-2 to agree; also pls speak clearly
joshua/feeny? – mostly time spent cooking – loved partic in group marches in day and night
nate- your name came up as an awesome volunteer in our debrief – thanks!

- What could I have done to make it better
personally and as a collective -
misty-main thing i wish would’ve happened is to decide ahead or during or after how we will follow up together – some kind of official way to follow up tog with all
wd have liked to have seen a little more pressure to get ppl to come to visioning process
it was a very white caucasion gathering – more ppl of color involved
larry – philly – i too was on the org team, and first before improvement, thanks for being on the call – great to hear voices again
involvement in Safety and DA and over week began to be clear of who we are – became clear our prinicples of inclusion and safety, conflict resolution weren’t as defined as we thought – could have done a better job
thankful they came up bec now we have oppty to ask these questions
joshua-concern would’ve made fair – wasn’t able to make it to visioning process — pretty much weren’t able to join the process because of volunteering
?huge debate about how inclusive our group is, the demographics of the country is 73% white – he doesn’t anticipate joining group the same as him (mex/iranian)
tasha – caravan group – wanted to do an action with us – short notice – that kind of threw a wrench in our work trying to put on an event for a full day – we didn’t have the time to do it and they couldn’t do when we did have more time
gotta work on that
jackie – occ buffalo – caravan not specific – hard to get something going – ppl left behind in Calif. think there was s disconnect between occs on the ground and organizers as to what was expected from each other
? – volunteers from other cities hard to have medic, kitchen, etc. – once natat started too late to have volunteer coord or program that was actually functional
not fair in the end that moffet? spent 5 days cooking and could have spent 2 days cooking
Steve – Occ Philly – there was an effort to bring in more of the minority community from philly – police were a problem, minorities not wanting to get on board bec of large police presence
heather /evan occ maine – my favorite thing was how we always had fresh, clean water – replicable models of pop-up infrastructure – having gathering 14-21 aug. in maine – all of us tog sharing how we can do better – clean hands after bathroom, food, water, etc.
call out or step-up board to put your name on; also talking about not just coming up with an idea and acting on – there has to be room for that – we are autonomous movement
rolling gatherings – s17nyc, new orleans in dec, philly july as yearly meetings
michael buell – north san diego county – occ oakland – had occ oak bus scheduled and then problem at the end – must look at transportation from west to east, south to north – takes organaization
kasha – love what lady(correct to woman) from maine said about the rolling type of thing – in the very beginning, trying to figure out where to have it;

notetaker disconnected –
tammy – talking about regional national alternating
sarah- been thinking about nat and regional – saw how the results of one in philly- couldn’t we have ppl in their own cities doing that

- What goals were not met and how can we do better next time?
james, nc – a lot of the load on philly, need to distribute that – what plans have we got to develop a national structure – who we are in the nation not just locally – don’t know how much we can get done locally
chris – doesn’t think we had the possiblity to deal with that – would be beneficial to be able to skype ppl in, GA with video capability, etc. other online ways

- What did the gathering leave out?

2. Reactions to vision (5 min)
fac – talk about the vision – lots of chat around the internet how can we use this
What are folks general reactions?
nate-i think one thing we really lacked was enough open space for self-organizing
by design, there was a lot going on to keep people busy – when there was open mic there were other things going on which deflected from that
sarah harper – follow the results and stuff on line – there were too many things the same on the visioning lists

What does the vision tell us about where people want the movement to go?
george – u guys are awesome thanks for being you – occ orange county- we know what it’s like when ppl come from other areas and we couldn’t follow thru with personnel – if they can fac it themselves, helps
texas -we did something similar when we got started here – first thing was are we a political action group – yes that’s why we’re here – then we listed our issues like y’all have – was this part of your process? it made us know we wanted to do something about our issues politically
ronnie – was at gathering in austin – doesn’t remember them saying they were a pol action group
also, the wording and how to combine everything to make the tally, not just a word, but an idea – that’s sort of why we didn’t have a tally in the texas process- ran out of time – that’s an issue tha needs addressing
nate4-actually we spoke before hand so that the folks in austin could do something similar in austin – we didn’t have a question or discussion before hand about what we were (pol action) – philospohical issues and then right into process
brandi – occ colorado-invite everyone to take the words and use them for their own poetry, art, writing, process
joshua-masa? occ baton rouge – thinking about looking at this from a strategic planning position wants to hear if other occs are thinking that way
mel -ronnie misunderstood me – when i said we – it was beaumont not austin – tammy -thanks for that calification
3. Visioning next step – what do we want to do with this next?
kasha/james-our CoC plans to work thru the lengthy visioning statement and put like items together and — condense it combine it with occ asheville’s statement and come up with unified visioning statement
misty-what the visioning means (last part) if you read it slowly you will be able to start to envision what the future world will be like — made a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ5Jq3b8djk&list=UUmfwoUI2IvHl6EqN40oMnGA&index=1&feature=plcp) iopsociety.org – read the words with the omm music behind it – may of us agree that the next step is to start to categorize the list without compromising – take this to ppl and ask them everywhere we go – into public — on a sandwich board, clipboards, etc. and start moving in that direction – energetic – what you focus on is the way you go

Anyone is welcome to share idea
larry -misty loved ur movie and more and more views – want to break down my vision of how we move forward with this – julia – living document for the vision and text we produced
really interested in figuring out some sort of system utilizing the tools we have avail to us such as openassembly.com – with interocc, with their tools – a way it can be an ever evolving vision
how the process itself can be replicated? was very excited about the visioning – believes in democracy – talking to ppl is valuable – ppl thought this can’t be done – and we did it
the process is the solution
1 – watch misty’s video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ5Jq3b8djk&list=UUmfwoUI2IvHl6EqN40oMnGA&index=1&feature=plcp
2 use tools
3 replicated in democ process

? – proposals for legislation – categories – something we can write, get passed such as glass-stegall, others
randy becker – key west fl – talking technicalities and stuff – the biggest thing that came out was we’re talking about visioning not complaints – getting off complaining rants and into visioning mode will be revolutionary
nate -that really resonaated with me – think now about actions, how can we act and make real, locally, nat’l, int’l collaboration, should certianly be talking about locally, and on these calls – how do we bring about clean water, air, no war, etc.
in philly – growing free food on lots, oregon, free weekly health clinics – need these types of things
steve – re next steps the vis process in philly involved a couple hundred ppl – a lot more are aware of it now – great way to raise awareness is to do the same thing at their local GA – there are hundreds of occ who might be interested – a fantastic altervie to the shoddy election process happening in next few months
john-expand on what larry said – visions and goals, then facilitators realized it didn’t make sense to have goals until the vision was done; now we have the vision – hope we can use software avail to have everyone nationally to work together – propose tactics to support the tactics, actions to support the tactics. so even tho we are horizontal, have hierarchy of ideas
chris – i’ve been trying to listen- one of the things i have come to realize is reiterating what ppl said – giving ppl a vision – having ppl think and discuss – look at a way to make this canvassable to take to the public – there are a lot of ppl very upset with what’s going on
joshua-mafu?-a lot of ppl talk about components- strategic plans – trying to assess ourselves about what we can do, what skills we have, what skills can be utilized. reaching out to the public – maybe a map of who will support us in trying to map out who we want to reach out to.
tammy-respond to the idea of bringing to the community – how cool that would be to have a visioning process across from polling stations to………
rebecca- addess taking it to the community – socially we have alot of healing to do not just between rich and poor but with minorities – we have really marginalized them – support important to make effort to include them into visioning process – use as a healing process
msity – most impt thing to do on the call is to figure one way we can all stay in touch and converse in a community way – this is so amazing, don’t want it to be a one time thing – on facebook group or interoccupy or whereever. we didn’t get a lot of contacts from each other in philly
tammy – if you don’t want to share contact info, pls press 1 now – the rest we will send out to the whole call
2 – IO collected info throughout the gathering
3 – visioning process on interoccupy.net/vision
sarah – not have this go primarily thru facebook because of security
ronnie-never gets the contact info from the calls – he’s been on many calls – interrocc hubs are great now – tammy will make sure he gets info this time.
tammy – that is one of our concerns at interoccupy – security – big reason we set up new site

a) brainstorm ideas (15 min)

b) tempcheck most liked brainstormed ideas (10 min)

c) breakouts based on top ideas (20 min
most twinkled ideas for breakouts
1condense and categorize the list
2create it as a living doc for ppl to interact + strategies,tactics and actions to make real
3bringing the vision to the community, asking the ques of folks we see, engaging others in the process; bring to community and replicate the process

james – putting together structure – do the hubs qualify as structure – hope the ppl from phlly and the ngwg can provide some continuity by proposing a structure – extemely impt – the rest follows behind that
tammy -structure will fall into a later part of this call
john – i’d like to combine the strategies, tactics and actions with the living doc if possible (notetaker – we combined 4 categories, now 3)
msity- follow up a public forum – next section or into living doc
michael buell-bring up the legislative aspect might fall under making it real, bringing it to the community

d) report backs (10 min)
1. group 3 – talked about polling areas having a booth that would attract voters
publicly disenranchised, need to connect and go out and feed
would be good to see go all over even int’l
use s17 anniv to have solidarity actions everywhere
polling logisitcal problems – ppl want in and out of polls
article V convention

group 2 –
so even tho we are horizontal, have hierarchy of ideas
vision
strategy
tactic
action
sarah – psyched about john’s proposal concrete example:
goal is getting corporate corruption out of politics – that is the vision
repeal citizen’s united – strategy
actions branching out from that – tactics – getting your senator or congressmen to propose, your town to have a resolution
use software avail to work together nationally –
propose tactics to support , the tactics, actions to support the tactics. so even tho we are horizontal, have hierarchy of ideas
one common thing is the money in politics across all pol beleirfs – effect of citizen’s united – mop (money out of politics)
continue vision
utilize avail tools
make sure we extract the values – that’s what’s unite all of us.

http://notes.occupy.net/p/natgat_break_out_2

group 1 -engaging community, making it real,
engaging – could be done at an indiv level, small groups, coord fashion – small groups in larger areas, org locally to support a bigger vision
local issues like move to amend, reolsutions at local level
making real – talk to ppl in the community –
primarily overall pll want to stay in touch and have multiple and accessible avenues to stay in touch

4. Other Next Steps (35 min)
Really encourage new leadership. People who brought gathering want to be supportive, but want to build new national teams.

we will be able to contact everyone and keep in touch
fred -group 1 wanted to summarize briefly – how we might restucture or reorder the items in the visioning list – what type of ___ we might want to provide or just put it out directly

next steps – need for structure? how to move forward from here
joshua-next nat’l gathering or next steps towards buidling nat’l structure – communications – essier to connect to ppl – national mailing list
joseph -itnerested in the concept of ideas for creating an alternative economy – cooperatively working with each other – occupies on a localized level without going to the corps who provide them – outside the box
dick – raleigh – planning this kind of stuff for our rally revisioning – popl want to do two things – planning structure, goals strategy, etc.
another bank that don’t fit that and want freedomt o create own goals, vision,s trategy – this seems like the exact strategy we need to be inclusive – more direction with ppl wthinking about this – key word is inclusiveness – we need to figure aout how to really include 99%
devin – upstate ny -lists of issue and need to extract to values beneath the issues – rep do very well and they have success with that
a lot easier to get fracture thru our issues – one way to prevent that from happening is a new foundational framework that includes a new view of our
new approach
4 new story if we don’t ahve one clearly articulated – concrete examples of new soc, pol,. eco
formulate a collective identify from there emerge a cohesive vision acts as an engine
abolishing empire and establishing earth community
randy – second that – change the narrative – make the story accessible to everyone – we need to know what values underpin that
brandi- second alot of that – add to idea if we were a society that was taught right from kindergarten about how to make group decsison making that a lot of us don’t really know how to do well bec we are not taught that – we are learning –
remember as we try to build bridges the group we have now created and are trying to
complicated for
summary – we are all learning – it will take a lot of energy,
tammy – idea from someone got knocked off the call – create a gathering working group to help people
collective institutional memory as moving forward
also suggested that this wg could help with strategies

collect contact info now
by ideas
1. work on the idea of values underpinning our issues; generating narrative
2. part of a gathering wg to help create, org gatherings and other sorts of things of that nature
3. alternative economies – perhaps good for a hub – suggest loooking at bank Justice Hub
4. idea of national movement communication and national mailing list- suggest joining interoccupy as that’s what we deal with – national communication

5 dick – inclusion of opposites – argumentative, etc.
6 – national structure – (kasha and james)

that is everything we have – any more next steps ?

4 – nate – off topic – street medics in your cities – have them get in touch to go to tampa for the rnc

call continue – connect everyone from this list witht he ngwg list and thru that the calls may continue

dick – tools? occupy cafe what they did during the gathering was to merge electronic and interent with worldwide convo – don’t know if lists and ___ was merging, but should be , was significant
devin – add one observtion made when occ philly or natgat were kicked out of the square ppl who travelled had no where to stay and the quakers opened up there place for us – this is part of history – the churches helped
consider retaking space and instead of claiming public space raech out to spiritaul ppl who wold help – reoccupy with symbol of encampment
3. can be decentralzied nodes to continue visioning process – universal unitarian have thousand s of churches

broad based structure
parallel gov’t rather than just parallel economic
masa – thank you for organizing to philly group
ethics center

michael – to the quakers who provided us sanctuary – great and beautiful – thank you
nate – there is a p.o. box that we set up for donations – can keep that up for snail mail
p.o. box 2459
Jenkintown, Pa 19046 ?

create a one time call to run your ideas and see if there is interest in further collaboration
use the tools at interoccupy.net

http://notes.occupy.net/p/natgatchat

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1. Natgat Debrief (25 min)
(60 second max. Please introduce yourself and location before speaking)

- What went well?

- What could I have done to make it better

- What goals were not met and how can we do better next time?

- What did the gathering leave out?

Nate (philly) just left a philly debrief, was important to have discussion, but a different space, perhaps. positive to get face to face and come together and share where we come from. moving forward together was beautiful.
Misty. reminding clear speaking.
James/Kasha: wasn ot in philly, but was online participant. NVC w/Occupy Cafe. was struck by revolutionary potential of NVC and need to more work in that area.
Fred: DC/ VI. big plus to mount so many diverse ppl in wide topics, and get in different groups and discussions. powerful.
Misty: offer improvement followed by “I love you all”
Joshua: spent time cooking for all. loved marches in evening.
Nate: Joshua was awesome help and named as helper in debrief.

What could be better next time?
Misty: have decided at some time before leaving: how to follow up and some next steps in general. some might be missing this process since announced after the meeting. more pressure to get everyone at visioning process. love you all but it was a very caucasian gathering.would love to have the movement more wholistic. understands it may not have been able to be helped at this point in the process.
Larry: thank everyone to be on the call. really wonderful hearing everyone’s voice. “who are we?” and “how do we as a group, handle safety in general” and “boundaries” came up as developing some collective voice. could have done a better job of conveying community guidelines and cohesiveness. now we have opportunity to learn from this, as a blessing in disguise.
Joshua: hours and hours a day of volunteer a day could not participate in the process, visioning or otherwise, He is not white, and does not anticipate joining a group of people who look like him, at this point in time, and this place in history.
Kasha: felt more time in planning could have been built and done more. felt it is terrible to not have done more to be inclusive. work with whole team, not just pieces and individuals.
Jackie: caravan. used more planning for that. ppl on the ground did not understand that ppl on caravan and the media were not well coordinated. but can be better next year, knowing what we have done.
Nate: difficulty with volunteers. on-boarding, and coordinating, medics, safety, kitchen. etc. more ppl would have given more time, if they had more deliberate about putting ppl in place.
Steve: comment about lack of diversity. effort was their, issue remains the police and discriminatory judicial practices and putting ppl in danger.
Heather/Evan: Maine: fav part: alwasy clean fresh water! alwasy! thankyou Steve, amazing, favorite part, replicable model as pop up infrastructreu. Maine Aug. 14- (?) sharing and how we can do better, replicabl models and sharing of skills. food teams and other needes for volutnteer. a call out or stpe up board. many did not knwo how to step up to get volunteer. not just one idea nad acting on it. it is essential. room for idea development. and other gatherings. seasonal momentum.NE, Aug. OWS Sept., DC Oct., NOLA Dec., Jan…, July Philly?,
Occupy Oakland bus had legal issues. looking at transportation for ppl from place to place. maybe looking at charters.
Kasha. Rolling places and dates. real concerns about a more central location and a rolling series of regional conferences and gatherings.
Concern: utilzing space: parking cars?, where to stay? using more spaces? scheduling. too torn between so many choices. visioning. only 200 gathered for, but had too many other things going on. the travel did not have the 500 (ish) ppl. he came for that focus. others may have come for other reasons.
Kalamazoo. requsted.
one gathering. national, one regional. each year. as movement, learning to build national teams. where ppl around the country can work together and build together from region to national/
Sarah: could we do a simultaneous regional and national.
James:
(note taker stepped away)

Chris: this was not so possible this time, but next time..help getting more ppl online and local groups brought together and access and utilize more social media and interactive.
Nate: not enough space for self organizing space. folks that planned worked to have a full schedule, in the end there were almost too many things going on at once. but also a primary complaint was not enough “open mic” space.

Sarah: several things came up online, more of the words could have been combined together and the words could have been brought more together.

OC: other cities adn other areas have many great ideas, and so invite groups to organize the portion of the skills that they can bring.

Mel: TX: somethng similar in locale. political action group? yes. we are a political action. then listed issues. in visioning process? was that part of the process? because our lens was through a political action group.

Ron TX: disagrees with the consensus of political action group. but talks about no tally process and the vision they put forth.

Nate: did not have the discussion beforehand.

Brandi: Take these ideas and words, and make your own poetry, your own art, your own vision and start sharing the vision that inspires you.

tells where we are heading.

Beaumont clarifies that he was not speaking of Austin process.

Vision and Next Steps?

General Reactions: and Where the movement might go from here?

Misty: if you read it slowly you can really see the vision develop, you can see the image, what we are doing is truly awesome!

2. Reactions to vision (5 min)

What are folks general reactions?

What does the vision tell us about where people want the movement to go?

Building Bridges;
seeing and encouraging others to build their own visions. in their own neighborhoods.

strategic plan: asses our own abilites, what can we do and what skills are we lacking? strengths, weaknesses, opportunites, and goals, who fits in an ally map to achieve our goals.

bringing to communtiy and replaicating it, could we do a vision process in every community out side of polling stations in every town.

taking it frm socially. we have a lot of healing to do. not only from poor and rish but also the minorities, the diverse popltuaions. super important to include the different groups in our vision process, as we move forward, we can also use this as a healing process.

one way to stay in touch and converse about this in public way. to get ppl to stay in touch and get others working always a place to get these groups together and decentralize and organize. cont convo in public way. getting more poc and healing the racial divide.

POI:
we have collected the info and will share the info with others on call. if you do not. press one. the inter occ collected info throughout and currently organizing the info in ways to stay in touch. and the hub on website has many hubs starting. interoccupy.net/vision.

Ron: a lot of these calls are not getting me connected to the emails. but really loves the new hubs as a tool.

3. Visioning next step – what do we want to do with this next?

Anyone is welcome to share idea

a) brainstorm ideas (15 min)

b) tempcheck most liked brainstormed ideas (10 min)

c) breakouts based on top ideas (20 min

d) report backs (10 min)

4. Other Next Steps (35 min)
Really encourage new leadership. People who brought gathering want to be supportive, but want to build new national teams.

a) brainstorm ideas (gatherings working group, future actions, online aggregation, media, etc), collect e-mail addresses of those interested, and share info about services available for continued collaboration (IO and others)
Idea Brainstorm:
1. next steps….

building national structure of communication make it more accessible.
national mailing list.

cooperaitve working together to provide the means for meeting our needs and learn how to be local consumers and producers, and localized, decentralized economy.

planning: including structure goals, etc
another bank of ppl: freedom to create own goals and actions and strategy. exact formula we need to be inclusive and learning.
one who made comment of list of visions, really list of issues. extract values. we need to create cohesive program. we can rally around issues, but where are our values? one way to prvent this…creating a new foundational framework, including a new view of of how we see the world. new approach to activism. and integratie approcah. jumping into a new story, not really just a vision. be articulate. for how others can see what should look like. unknown vsa. comfortable. form a collective identity.

shift a framing. making the narrative acfdesible to everybody.

Breakout Session
1. Condensing category list: follow up coordination
liked polling areas, also talked about reach out to disenfranchised minorities. systematic, wide spread and organized way. use 9/17 as solidarity actions and do vision or states. problem w polling. some logistical problem. article 5 convention, using vision work on that.
2. creating living doc . creating strategies and actions/tactics concrete ideas about how it could ok as proposal. getting corrupt money out politics. extract values out of the values. action and tactic different than strategy.
3. engaging community and asking for vision development. making it real. talking to ppl in community. visioning at election day. missed some stuff. ( I spoke) ~BW

next steps emerging: groups. working on values and generating narrative. emails collected.
gathering working group and help organizing in future:
alternative economies: new hub proposals: bank justice hub has many ppl working on this topic there already.
national movement communication: suggestion to join IO team ,and the mailing list idea.

final note by caler: dont forget the significant moves by interfaith communities. resurrect symbol and create public space across to continue the vision process. believes UU will support with the right approach.

some would like to start a christmas list.

shout out to church of philly. friends of (quakers)

donations are still being accepted to help with the costs of gathering and allies. (did not get link)
to work on other projects, please use the hubs, tools and calls to keep organizing together.